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Today's guest, financial professional and author of ⁠The Future Poor, Jonathan Grimm, believes the post-1945 version of retirement planning (stockpiling as much cash as possible for 40 years and praying you can leave paid work) isn’t going to work for much longer.

But as a financial “ethicist,” Grimm's unique approach centers the social determinants of health and begins from the belief that we should figure out what’s best for people—and work backward from there.

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Our show is a production of Morning Brew and is produced by Henah Velez and Katie Gatti Tassin, with our audio engineering and sound design from Nick Torres. Devin Emery is president of Morning Brew content, and additional fact checking comes from Scott Wilson.

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